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That would have been a dichotomy as well. I remember watching a show called the Berenstein Bears on TV. Definitely not the Berenstain Bears. Upon looking it was only released in Funnily enough, I remember it being spelled with an E— Berenstein— and not knowing how it was pronounced.
All baron, not burn. I wonder if it was spelled different;y in different countries —? Much like thinking the U. I was a child in the 80s, I grew up reading those books, watching the cartoons, and I even had one or two little figurines sold by, I believe, Burger King.
I might still have one floating around my house somewhere. I once described a dream of a place so well to a buddy of mine, that when we passed by that place on a drive through the country, he noticed it before me. Thank you for the way you described your own experience. I can relate in a couple ways: I practiced my handwriting by tracing the Berenstein Bears title on the books over and over and over again, for a couple years at least.
If we are finding similarities or differences of those sharing the memory of one spelling vs the other: Slept walked out of hotel room when I was 10, woke up next to the road, another time woke up outside in the hot tub scary for parents of a little girl no doubt. What purpose does it serve…. It was a total mental shift I needed to make, and has completely changed all of our lives for the better.
Hard to pinpoint the exact date there, TBH. Other memories I have different from the current version: Thanks for the terrific site here.
Wow I remember it was Gordens jiffy nobody does it like Sara Lee greatfull not gratefull and togather not together brenenstien Bears and both twins played togather in full house TV show, I am convinced time has been altered.
I agree with you on these, but the Sara Lee one never crossed my mind until you mentioned. I found message boards going back to on this one of people wondering when it was changed.
Fiona if I missed this somewhere else here, I apologize. But I think this might be a worthy addition to the major memories. Even Wikipedia comments about the confusion or, in our terms: I remember most of those being that way as well! However I just watched that bit and the buttons flash a greeny yellow color instead.
I am so weirded out right now. I googled both just now and was shocked to find they are as you say!!!! I cant say I fully remember if it was stain or stein. And so did the TV show. The narrarator also called them the steins. I had a book with me a long time ago and was one of my favorites.
We owned many of the books an read them all the time as a kid but they are all gone now. I even confirmed this with my grandmother and she definitely remembers it being Berenstein also. I also remember 52 states. If I had to put my thumb on when things began shifting, I would say around That seems to be some sort of nexus point of shifts, one of them at least.
It was or 91, it was the end of an eventful summer with lots of vacations. I was sitting on top of our steep driveway and looking up at the sky. Mars in this sense representing a sort of Earth B, resembling the current one but different. I feel that this time period was one the shifts first began, and probably why I was able to notice it. Yep 52 states, taught in school and home school. Seems though we could have just been taught wrong.
OMG this is just too weird. I also clearly remember being taught 52 states without a doubt! I clearly remember a separate book as a child, one of those picture bibles for children that had a whole passage that one day was suddenly missing as if it were never in existence. Interesting you mention part of a book disappearing; I had a in-1 electronic kit thingo as a kid that you could use to build different projects by joining the wires up in different configurations to the components built into the kit.
One of these was a lie-detector. I wondered how it worked and I either asked dad or maybe there was a brief in the book which came with the kit. It said that a lying person would sweat so if you taped two wires from the kit to their arm a short distance apart, the sweat would close the circuit if they were lying, either making the meter go up or activating the light or buzzer or something. One day I decided to make it and got the kit out; and there was no lie detector plan.
The kit and book was pretty old and well-used so I just figured that page may have fallen out. However, each plan was labelled and there were no missing numbers.. Ryan 11 November Your in-one kit sounds very familiar. I had the Tandy Science Fair in-one kit http: For a week there were 42 thoughts,and now 2 thoughts have been added 18 and 19 august but the column says 43 thoughts.
On actual counting it comes out to maybe 41,it is too much of a job could be i am wrong here. It has been a topic at work, 3 of us thought it was Stein, and 1 thought stain, but we all pronounced it as stain.
I came on here to relate a story and immediately I saw this, the blood ran out of my head, pretty freaky mang. My wife and I have discussed this, we remember Berenstein Bears…wow.
Even auto-correct changes it to Berenstain! My question is how the heck was it all changed and why change it in the 1st place?
I also just found out that the Berenstein website was changed to http: Critical skeptics and self-doubters might suggest the image had been Photoshopped.
I am completely blown away by this. I am absolutely speechless. It sounds like the kind of thing that would be a conspiracy or elaborate internet hoax, but to my complete disbelief, it is not!!
The bears were such a large part of my childhood — I had their books and watched the TV show! Actually, Claire, there are people who remember it always being written as Berenstain, including Sarah above. She commented on July 19th. I distinctly remember it being Berenstein Bears. My mom used to read those books to me as a kid. Maybe I died, and my consciousness leaped into an alternate reality. I believe the concept is called quantum immortality.
Memory is imperfect, and we often re-write old memories in the act of recalling them…so it makes sense that we would assume that the more common suffix, stein, is the one that is used. Especially since the pronunciation is the same either way, it is easy to forget the original spelling and integrate a more common last name suffix. I get that a lot. I find this all interesting because I remember the Berenstein bears stories at a specific point in my childhood, where I took the time to actually think about their name.
Spelling, how its pronounces, ECT. I remember this because while I was a smart kid, I had difficulty reading. So anything involving books and words took more thought than just simply reading. I had the reading level of a 5 yr old until I was in the 7th grade, and suddenly seemed to snap into place and I jump to a high school level by the end of the year. I find this all curious because when I was having difficulty reading as a child I would think about the words and if I recognized them. I remember getting frustrated to the point of not liking the books because of their named.
I know many people have false memories. There is so much sensory information being thrown at us everything single second of everyday its impossible for a person to process all of that and not go insane. If a person had no idea of the mismatched memories out there and only remember what they preseve, its still a imperfect system. Minds actually throw out information as well. A person may remember something without knowing they do.
So basicly become a giant brain. I mostly want people to actively think about the memories that are different but also which ones are the same. If the alternate reality theory is to be explored we cant just rely on the memories that are different, but the ones that are the same as the majority.
Did you notice how others felt? Was anyone close to you sick or react to the situation negatively? If people really have been swapped to another reality, or there are two or more realities merging together we cant just look at it on a large scale but also on a much smaller personal scale. If its false memories on a mass scale than why, again. Why group A and not B? Do the people who have the common memories have other similarities?
His comment was in reference to a totally different subject we were discussing. That got my attention in a hurry. I know the discussion included an artist, a psychologist, at least two authors, a movie producer, and at least one actor.
Each of us stands out in our respective fields. Ages were all over the place, mostly 30s to 50s. Gender… mostly male, in this conversation. Regarding comments here, the balance seems to tilt slightly in the direction of men. Age, per time-specific references, seems to be all over the place.
The rest are very mixed, internationally, with a few more in England and India than elsewhere. This is crazy and really creepy. I worked under a kindergarten teacher last year, and she pronounced it Berenstein. That was the way she typed it into YouTube, and that was the way it was written on the books I spent hours rearranging. This is so strange….
I recall feeling very sad cause loved Starsky and Hutch as a kid. So this feels so bizarre and I feel like some of the other people, I can let go of some but the bears?
Not when I read to my kids before bed Every Night and they loved and remember the stories and the name same way. I was always very observant as a child and I looked at the title and illustrations plenty of times. I read these books when I was first starting to read but soon outgrew them as I became an avid reader and preferred more lengthy volumes. I hate to disagree with the majority. But I do remember it being spelled Berenstain Bears. Cameron, see my reply to Tiare.
Same issue, same answer. Generally, the people who remember Berenstein are very precise about their spelling. I was and am a very conscientious speller and pronouncer of words. So I was definitely curious when a link to this subject came up on my feed. I grew up in a pretty small town in Australia, and any spelling of the name would appear foreign to me.
I asked a friend of mine about it, and she said she remembered Willem Dafoe dying years ago. Her sister has the same memory. Years ago, I was going through a very strange time in my life, and it was common for me to wake up and notice something had changed.
It was always something small, like the colour of the paint on my walls, or the curtains. Of course I have no way of verifying if it was just the product of an overactive imagination. I completely remember it being the Berenstein Bears. I distinctly remember it being the Berenstein Bears. I loved to read and I especially enjoyed knowing random facts and trivia, and I recall reading that the Berenstein Bears was named after its authors, whose names I remember being spelled differently, probably as Berenstain.
This stuck with me because I thought it was odd and also because I always wanted to know how to properly spell things really, I won the spelling bee every year. Seeing this article, I immediately assumed it was fake, but more research has shown that it is indeed the Berenstain Bears, and I find this troubling to say the least. Could it simply be the cursive text threw us all off as children? I am really trying to justify this odd feeling I have right now about this whole thing….
I used to read and watch the Berenstein Bears all the time. I actually can remember the very first time I was introduced to them, the teachers aid in my kindergarden class read us a story about them cleaning their room. I was in my living room watching the Bears like normal, and I remember asking my mother why the last name was spelled with an a and not an e. It makes sense to me that the reason it took me so long to ask is because one day it really did change from an a to an e.
Anyways my mom told me that the authors name was spelled with an A but the show used an E she didnt even look at the tv screen, im guessing she was so used to the e spelling she just assumed. My mother read the Bernstein Bears books to me for many years as a child between the years or so and I distinctively remember her pronunciation burn-steen as well as the way it was spelled on the front cover as it was one of my favorite series of books.
My mother remembers the spelling being Bernstein as well, and she would not have pronounced it burn- steen if it was spelled Bernstain. I remember it as Berenstein too. Initially, I edited this comment for longer, religious content that sparked immediate, unfortunate, and vitriolic responses.
The reaction to the full, initial comment was so sudden, so dramatic, and such a distraction from the focus of this website, I felt that I had no choice. After the brief and quickly deleted flame war that erupted from the comment that was here, I explained my revised comment policies at the Re: However, this is a good time to make an important point: Nevertheless, this is a global community with varying cultural, religious, and personal beliefs.
My aim is to keep the focus on what we already have in common. The collective, relatively consistent data make this topic startling. Too many consistent memories. No doubt, some things were misunderstood when they happened. That said, the consistent memories amaze me, partly because I have the luxury of seeing emails and comments people ask me to keep in confidence. When the real IP numbers and distinctive phrases indicate two or three, or five different — and geographically diverse — people have nearly identical memories, that gets my attention.
The sun color is an interesting topic. As an artist, I know there are explanations. Those include the landscape, the sky color, the weather, smog levels, and so on. Those, in turn, may be affected by Milankovitch cycles, and other contributing factors. So, sun color is a perception-based topic, and less easily documented as a Mandela Effect issue. Something we saw often, held in our hands, and so on. For many people, these are cherished memories, as well.
Some of the alternate memories are very frequent and mundane and some are very infrequent and deep. One dulls our cognitive senses and the other raises doubts over the credibility of being an authentic witness. If nothing else, MandelaEffect. Fiona, I ask that you please remove my comment from this post. I did not know you were going to edit out anything I said about Jesus and the bible. It does kinda feel like selective censorship to me. I am not trying to argue with you or start a fight.
But please remove the whole comment. If the message cant be given in its entirety then I would rather it was not given at all. James, I have removed it, but left a placeholder there — with my explanation — so people understand that part of the discussion is missing. Interivew with A Vampire! Mandela Effect will have the last laugh. Fiona will have her day of glory. Now that I check ever single childhood memory I have in my attic all I see is Berenstain!
But this is the part that shook me the most. I found a childhood picture. With the longest child grin across my face as I opened up my brand new set of…. I drive over there as fast as I can with my wife Rose, who damned well remembers it being Berenstain Bears. I asked my grandmother if she recalled our she remembered which year Christmas when she bought me those books.
She cheerfully said yes and showed me the picture. My feeling of excitement diminished. The picture, clear as day, showed Berenstain Bears. I glanced back I picture I had, only for it to say the same thing. I clear as day believe I transferred dimensions somehow while driving. Rose, out of all people, said even she saw my picture and it saying Berenstain. I just read about the Mandela effect yesterday. I am convinced I grew up with The Berenstein Bears series, and my husband is quite sure, too.
But this was disturbing me since yesterday! I thought it was kind of a weird name. I remember a few years ago finding some of those books we had and being confused at the spelling of their name, because I remembered it being said berenstein and not berenstain, but I just assumed that I had made a mistake or misremembered.
I think the point of this change is being narrowed down to around august The following is taken off the internet from CoasterBuzz which people are talking about Berenstein bear country being replaced with Peanuts gang at ValleyFair MN.
Here is the link to that page http: This conversation takes place early notice not one person even spells it Stain not even out of habit.
This could be why many insist it has always been Stain because, 1 They were born after or were too young when the change happened to remember. There are other examples on the internet of pre spellings being with the Stein and not Stain. We just need to seek these examples out and share with others Heres is one more example this link is from post august https: I have a friend who just turned 51 on December 1. She had her first child at age 23 in and another child in and she read the books to them and only remembers them as Berenstain.
She seems to be an exception though. I was reading those books when I was learning to write, and I traced the letters. It was an e. My husband also made the icky face and said no, it has to be an E! The bears may not be the only anamolous characters in a book,if this parallel reality has some grain of truth,other discrepencies must show up. I still have the book but it says marilyn monroe and barbra streisand. Streep evidently was too young to be in the reckoning at the time book was published ,that is, according to current timeline.
So you see,a lot of unambiguous and unsubtle discrepencies,in this particular but unshared memory. I remembered it to be BerenstEin as well.
For instance, near the end of the movie it shows clips of Tienanmen square and Mandela. Both of which others have purported to have an alternate memory.
Sometimes it does appear that memory has been altered in some way or perhaps there are parallel worlds that we are traveling in. However, for some reason it switched back to Berenstein. I think it is important to note that I was in a severe car accident around 7.
Our luggage was found in the undercarriage of the tractor trailer and my brother and I, who were sitting in the back seat, left the scene without any scratch. I believe the 2nd major incident may have centered around the attacks.
The image was a red face with horns on either side which sat in between 2 pillars surrounded by red smoke. By the way, I worked nowhere near N.
I have had a lot of paranormal experiences that I am sure only some can come to understand because they have had them too. Before I end this message though I think it is interesting that we have, for the most part, accepted the idea that energy can be neither created nor destroyed. Correction- Berenstein first then Berensteen spelled and went back to Berenstein. The Berensteen seems to have been around the time of a great change in my life. I Moved to another state with my father who died approximately 2 years later.
Before he died we traveled often although he was narcoleptic my mother informs me. Woke up in a ditch at night one time in our tan Volvo while sleeping in the back. This was the 2nd car incident which is why I am really being to feel like it has something to do with death or extreme stressors.
Confirming the validity of stories is difficult to do- I would like to put it in writing that what I have mentioned is truthful. I hope this may positively help others as I am piecing together occurrences that have happened to me. I am still interested in this topic and look back at the comments every now and then.
It looks like I am alone on there actually being a spelling of Berensteen but that was how I saw it around age I remember having the BerenstEin Bears books around — my grandma owned them and had me read out of them when she homeschooled me. Fast forward to my high school years — this had to have been , just before my parents got rid of cable TV — and I was sitting in the kitchen with my mom after school one day.
I got confused, turned to my mom, who was 34 at the time, and asked when they changed the spelling. I would also like to mention that, just before I turned 9 the summer of , my late brother and I took a two week vacation to Florida to visit our grandparents, while our parents stayed behind. They were not the same as they were, and I felt that they would never again be the same as they were before we left. Strangely, I am a geography buff, though I am not clear on Sri Lanka.
I also remember the Berenstein Bears, not Berenstain Bears. I do not recall Mandela dying in the 80s, although I have some kind of vague memory. I do remember him being released from prison and dying recently. It would be interesting to see if people remembering Berenstein Bears would remember New Zealand being North of Australia. I thought it was, but I am wrong. Look at Amazon books. Even Amazon thinks it is Berenstein.
A Wolf writes the following review. This review is from: He seems to know Jan and is convinced there was a name change, yet there never was apparently, at least not in this reality. How could so many make the same mistake. I will copy some of them on here. They should have kept it where the Snoopy store is now. January 5, , 4: Camp Snoopy is the area in the back of the park when Berenstein Bears were in the front.
On that particular forum page, everyone seems to spell it Berenstein. Some people may have taken his cue and followed suit. I remembered the spelling as Berenstein as well, so I went to the school library. I found a book that was published and bought in and the spelling is Berenstain. All of the old books in the library here have the spelling Berenstain.
Cathy, there is a very simple explanation here. Also, look at the font that was used on the covers of the original books. However, after thinking about this, I decided to approve the one with the most likely explanation, and delete the rest. I shelved the Berenstein Bears books more times than I can count.
My own children owned most of the Berenstein Bears books and enjoyed reading them, over and over again. Oh, I appreciate your comments. So, I research everything people post in comments. For example, when the geography topic came up, I studied all kinds of early possibly erroneous world maps , looking for Sri Lanka and New Zealand in other locations.
Now and then, I find a good, normal answer. In most cases, it was bad journalism picked up and repeated by others or an editor let a pre-written obituary slip into publication, too soon.
In some cases, the MandelaEffect. Usually, they come back to this site and — having figured out what happened — they ask me to delete their respective comments, which I do. I also consider other explanations. Sorry if I went on a bit long, but the topic fascinates me. I cannot tell you how many times I would be at a news scene, or even the most mundane of meetings, with other reporters and be amazed at how our accounts differed in the reporting of the event.
We were all there, at the same time, with the same people, but I guess simply because we were different people, with different backgrounds and sometimes agendas, we simply perceived things differently.
Seeing it for yourself rather than hearing about it first, second, or even third-hand. The mind conjures such radically different pictures depending on how it gets its information. Your research and writing is wonderful, and this is a fascinating website. It has given me much to think about on this quiet, overcast weekend my favorite atmosphere in which to think! Thanks so much, again, for your reply. Much continued success in unraveling this very interesting mystery! Fiona, first off, thanks for this website.
You had mentioned that you research every topic that comes up, but that seems like it would be very difficult to do when the sources seem to change i. How do you research something that no longer exists? I would be very interested to know what someone with hyperthymesia remembers about these bear books and their titles. It is difficult to conduct deep research into every topic, and — for the past few weeks — downright impossible to even check everything mentioned in comments.
However, I try to do a cursory check of topics that keep coming up. Google may be a bit of a nemesis in this research, but I tend to go three or four pages into their search results at the very least , and look for links to other sites from the pages I visit. Some of those chains can be very interesting!
When I first came across the berenstAin bears I tried to explain it away and I thought about Stein being a more common name as an attempt to explain this away. However it became like a sort of splinter in my mind that does not work for me however. The big thing that did it is the visuals and the intro, its just not the same. The berenstAin bears did the exact opposite for me, and really kind of startled me, leaving me feel confused without any answers….
I guess I assumed that they changed the spelling to be more close to the pronunciation. Does anyone else have this memory? Therefore reading the authors name we would think Berenstein instead of Berenstain because the ending stein is much more popular than stain when it comes to laser names.
They may still do so. There are other theories about how that reading method worked for some people, while it completed failed others. I went to a private school where I was taught phonics, sounding words out, letter by letter.
Many other people learned to read with phonics, too, so the first-and-last-letter theory will not usually apply to us. Literacy is not the issue here. I think we can all agree that some people simply never looked closely at the spelling of the name. Maybe they never glommed onto phonetic reading.
Maybe the books were read to them, and they never actually picked up the books themselves. I clearly recall it spelled Beren stein, not Beren stain. Something has changed, and this is kind of weird. Most people are fairly precise about the spellings they recall. I can cheerfully agree that, in your timestream, the spelling may have been Berenstain with no variations, ever. I grew up learning how to read and pronounce words using phonics; however, because I was an avid reader in my teens and twenties, I can sight read most modern literature because it uses mostly common words that are easily recognizable at a glance.
There would be nothing to directly associate it with to cause the misconception that Michael is suggesting. So I have a couple of the old games. I distinctly remember Berenstein, they were my favourite books!
All I remember is that I had seen it before and was trying to find a specific scene that I liked, I looked repeatedly…. I remember being so frustrated because I had just seen the movie earlier and I vividly remembered that friggen scene! This kinda talk is really unsettling for me.
Also, one more thing. I may have an explanation, perhaps more for myself. Even though I remember Berenstein, Berenstain also seems familiar. Cuz knowing myself Its very possible this is the case. Well my universe path is certainly different than all of yours…. In my world it was Bernstien Bears and distinctly remember this because being of German heritage, it is where I learned from my mother the proper pronunciation of ie versus ei in German. My ten year younger sister also remembers it the same way and was quite freaked out with this stain nonsense and extra en in Beren spelling.
BerenstAin has never crossed my mind and googling the name has actually freaked me out a bit. Cheers for sharing everyone. Found out a couple years ago that was wrong. I knew I was wrong but it was still weird. I have a 2 year old and we got a bunch of books from when I was a kid from my parents this weekend.
Until you run into a memory from an alternate history, the difference may not be clear. You found relief by clarifying a mistaken memory, and by relying on your wife and the Internet. Scott,It might not be funny if we forget things,in fact it could be fun if we completely forget some things.
Lorenzo Maccone says entropy can certainly decrease if all memory of the event is erased, i bet your wife looks younger than what her age indicates. As for the foreign attractions, I guess opposites do attract and maybe that has something to do with it.
Also foreign women tend to be more aggressive with white men as they consider them a catch. I call it class and decorum, not being cold and aloof. I guess being an old fashioned guy I want to make the first move anyway. And keep in mind many foreign women come here with one purpose in mind to marry a local man.
Be wary though that many are submissive and sweet during the courting but after the marriage they become very domineering and controlling. They all ended up going back to Swedish girls after a nasty divorce or relationship. All 5 of them. So that says a lot to me and I have chosen to continue my pursuit in that direction of finding myself a nice Swedish girl. This description seems to be about her.
Thanks for the info. Wow… what a response to your post. Spans the years and scrolls forever! May I add to it? Mine is a question. I was much younger late 20s , single about a month after a painful breakup , and impressionable I was knocked out by the preponderance of beauty roaming the Stockholm scene. We went to one of the clubs and I was so overwhelmed by the number of gorgeous women that I had no idea what to say to any of them. My travel friend was bolder and he struck up a conversation with a couple girls.
To say my interest was purely innocent or intellectual would be a ridiculous lie. And surely, she sensed that. Or was she testing me to make a move? I know it was clear to both of us that I was only there for a couple days. So what was she after? I was a nitwit then. Most of my girlfriends asked me out before I worked up the nerve to ask them. But to this day, I wonder if I threw away a beautiful if short-lived opportunity.
Each person, as many have said, is an individual with their own intent. But to this day, I still remember her as a smart and talented musician , devastatingly attractive, and irresistibly sensual woman… that I may or may not have had the chance to spend a few gorgeous hours with… a long, long time ago.
I am an albanian residing in NY City. There are about Swedish -Americans here and I have met some of them. I would say that their physical appearance is stunning. The one I have met were business women or girls. I mean they were making in average above a quarter million dollars a year. Because I am blessed with good looks always they were the ones approaching me. Down to earth and smart. Of course I bowed to pressure and married one. She still has relatives in Sweden but I have never been there since my wife was born here.
But close where I worked I have seen 3 young ladies from Sweden working in real estate office. Three of them obese, I mean real bottom heavy. Likable faces but strange life styles. I saw them with all kinds of colored primates that reside in New York. I did not know that obesity is a problem in Sweden and if the lifestyle of women in Sweden is like the girls I saw here, its not much to be proud of other than the looks. But again I am happy since my wife outsmarts me in many things.
In my house I am the one blond and blue eyes, my swedish wife has light brown eyes, light brown hair. This was really fun to read! LOL, I have to say the on-line dating or electronic dating has come a very long way since the days of straight forward chat rooms. A lot more and a lot more people are turning to on the internet dating sites to display prospective dates. It IS true though that most Swedish girls are tall. I find myself tall, but im 4th tallest in class. Aw well, i respect how generalized this is, but dont get your hopes too high now, guys.
Just an observation, I think the fetishising of Swedish women or any other ethnic women is unhealthy. Too me, a preoccupation with a certain ethnicity debases the women or men from your own culture and possibly indicates an inferiority complex. There are beautiful women or handsome men to be found in every country although you might have to look a little harder in some.
It seems some of the posters on here are interested in visiting Sweden not for the culture or scenery but for casual sex and hooking up. This was a funny read! I find that the women in Sweden are alot friendlier than the men?
I love Sweden especially the north please someone let me move in ; haha [email address redacted]. Luke — You are right there are some posters who are only interested in hooking up with Swedes not finding or dating one.
I do try to edit or not approve those posters as they do not contribute to the discussion. I found this write up and the follow up comments very interesting and somewhat true in most regard…I have to agree to one fact that have been stated here….. I am an African that have been living and studying here in Sweden for a little 3 years now……I have been with all sorts of Swedish girls…. Yea not all are good looking …I have been with more Swedish girls during my stay here than most Swedish men twice my age have….
I usually ask most of them why they end up being with me…and the response is almost always the same…which is that, they like the courage, audacity and balls I show by walking up to them and start chatting them up without have to wait until I am under the influence.
Coleone — where you normally meet Swedish girls? Bars, clubs, restaurants, on the street?? I was searching for some blogs to get info bout the country before I go to visit it this december or april..
It is funny to read some of comments—their personal life experience their doubts n so on. Men are men and women are women. I tell you now my little story. I am south korean and I have been living in italy since I was 7 I just turned 20 and when I was a mid teenage I tried approaches with italian and french girls many times.
If I think about the day when she approached me I still wonder how the hell it was possible. She was tourist, she just approached me, asked me few things, then asked me about me since I told her I have been living in italy and stuffs and then she asked me to guide her through Rome.
Then we knew each other and eventually things went as it had to go. The fact she approached me like that was because maybe i have never been to swe do i dunno yet girls approaching first was a normal thing in her country..
She helped me to break the schemes, way of thinking and break the tradition. The way she first approached it.. After all women are attracted to men because we are men and nothing else and viceversa. Roles are not reversed. I hope it helped! They are absolutely right. Probably should have stuck with her. What a turn off to be analyzed like some sort of species, but yet flattering and amusing.
Are blondes really that special? I was born in the midwest of the good ole USA; my paternal grandparents were immigrants from Sweden. After college I spent 3 months in Europe traveling, half the time in Sweden and the rest traveling around parts of Northern Europe. I can say categorically, hands down the most beautiful women I encountered were in Sweden.
They were natural, fit, educated for the most part , strong, and sweet. Leave your sterotypes at the door, fools. Ask Elin Nordegren how things worked out with Tiger or any other example I could provide. Most of the things here is true, about the girls.
I actually thought of all this as bullshit until I actually traveled alot and realized that girls in Sweden actually is the most freaking sexy in the world.
But the facts about the swedish dudes, not true. They are very good-looking, both men and women. And everyone loves to party. I saw that pretty sweet girl on my first day of uni in one of my lectures.
Many times I noticed her looking at me from a far and sometimes even smile. But the thing is, everytime I looked at her she looked away and when I smiled back, her reaction was like she was searching some place to hide! One time we arrive at uni at the same time, she coming from a another direction.
I noticed that when she saw me she hurried up a little and opened the door and hold it to me. But she just grew pale and looked like she was scarred of me. So, I just let it all be! I got to know her in a club. I passed by and smile at her.
She smiled back, took me by the hand on the side and started quizzing me about my life and who am I? Then after I certain while talking to each other and mostly aswering to her questions , she gave me her mobile no. Then she gave me like a 5 min french kiss and left home… I was completely puzzled! I have always personally found Swedish men to be among the sweetest, cutest men in the world. The way skin ages has nothing to do with its colour. In fact, many fair skinned people often age slower than olive-skinned people because they take more care to stay out of the sun.
Based on personal experience. What pisses me off is when girls wants me to buy them a drink, they literarily ask me! WTF Make your own money, I did not go to work just to splash my cash on some random girl.
I would much rather give it to charity, which I by the way do! One of the most un-sexy things is a women who cant take care of herself. I like my girls strong and independent when it comes to money, it shows that in a relationship I can depend on her just as she can depend on me if needed. This does not apply to friends, girlfriends or girls your dating. Those are people you buy drinks and take care off. In case you know any pages, mail lists or forums for latina girls from brazil, mexico, dominican republic, Colombia, etc, in Stockholm please let me know.
I know this relating thing can be a problem, especially when it comes to culture differences, but somethings there is no problem to big to over especially if you know what you want, all you gotta do is compromise, loosen up, lighten up, and live life happily.
I have a big question, I have heard from all my buddies that when they go to Europe the most delightful and beautiful women are all either from Greece, Italy, Germany, Australia and their personal favorite Switzerland. I have a good heart and a set mind to become successful. I am always afraid to talk to women like these because I am afraid to get rejected for being Spanish and white girls wanting to stick to their own. My main question is would a Switz girl about my age be attracted to a guy who has these type of characteristics?
I am a little tan due to me being spanish I have a body ,a great personality, a good heart, I dance salsa merengue bachata reggae house, techno w. Though perhaps you should take a mini Europe map with you to not screw up the countries and their women. Interesting article and i can find lot of similarity with Ireland where i live. I dont like generalisation though but i can see what you mean by that general way and i quite agree. You should copy and paste and post an article about ireland haha As a French dude i never really knew what all peeps had with those swedish women thingy they not better than any other european women.
Swedish are nice and gentle but nothing beats the kindness and good looks of Filipinas. My Swede is nothing like what this article describes Swedish men to be…maybe because he is in the USA now with a woman who appreciates and loves him with all my heart?
Haha I found this post so amusing!! Lots of what is written is true about Swedish men and Swedish women. Whenever I visit though, I always find it refreshing. Luckily though, I have found a nice balance. I think Swedish boys are like eggs — best analogy I could come up with. They have a hard shell exterior, but when you finally crack it, all the gooey lovey stuff comes out: Coz my girlfriend is learning Swedish language and thinking move out from our country to Sweden. And yes i am very shy i just really dont know what to say its very enoying hehe.
Especially on the first few dates you have to have a good personality, show some chivalry, and be willing to pay the bill and not be a cheap ass. Idk Is it me or is that not just common sense when it comes to trying to get a girl or even simply trying to make friends? Talking to a friend of mine recently who lived in Sweden.
He said sex is easy to find, but love is not. But with a Swedish woman, should I be that forward? Juan — May I give you some insight on why you do so poor with the ladies? Your English is terrible. Please learn grammar, spelling, punctuation and capitalization. Regardless of your native language and your English writing skills, you can at least not be a total lazy ass when it comes to capitalization.
Why the fuck would a lady want to know your ball size? Best study break from biochemistry ever! But having seen some posts here and on other sites too, and personal accounts, I would never would go to Scandinavia after women.
I have some girl friends who went there and married native men, the second marriage for these men, the first was with native women, and did not last long. And when married women from outside, these guys acted as if they were people who had never eaten a good meal in life. These girl friends have a hard time to fit in, because there are many women there who act like men and are upset by women who want to act like women, as if they want to be sex toys for men or something.
Feminists understand nothing about men. Any woman worthy of own salt knows that a guy can be displeased with a woman and not want more meetings or vice-versa , but still pay the bill as a matter of chivalry. If you scorns small kindnesses, but thinks that spending large amounts of cash is chivalry or proof of love, do not be surprised If your boyfriend dismiss you as being a coin digger.
Be a feminist or whatever, is not an excuse for not learning other philosophies of life aside from their own. Only narrow minded people act this way. And while there is all the talk of equality, feminism is a movement not so different from French or Russian revolution. People who are the core of the movement believe that have the best point of view, and want to take down whoever is in charge and take his place. Thanks for this good post.
Now my foreign girlfriend used YOUR comment about that Swedish girls dosent even want to be with Swedish men, against me! I think I speak for all or all the non-racist, anyway Swedish men when I say to foreign women: Sure there are lots of beautiful people, but there is everywhere! I found most of them to be over weight. I have been dating a Swedish guy, and I am still trying to figure him out! After reading your blog, I understand him a bit better….. I thought maybe he was never taught to open doors for people, and when I got nothing for Valentines day, I was very dissapointed….
He is absolutley clueless when it comes to woman and dating! Also I had to make the first move on him…it was like he was afraid of me. Foreigners in this country like to flash stuff like newlyrich when they come over here , they live in cheap suburb complexes and then buys a merc or bmw to drive around in , Swedish GIRLS loves this cuz of their friend and all its a popularity thing.
They pretty quickly change their mind though when they finally figure out the game and good for them that swedish men are understanding and forgiving about past and smarter with money considering wellfare isnt a new thing in sweden.
Its like yeah we might drive a volvo and i guess for the outside eye that doesnt look very flashy but then again the volvo dude probably have a big fat house , stabil economy and ready for family , you think the bmw guy has that?
So ill take my chanses with my volvo. Atleast i know i dont have a golddigger on my hands, wich may be another reson to why swedish men holds back on the cash for the woman … just to see who holds out and dont just want the flash. This is what i think. And trust me im a bartender in this country!
Since we raised the price of redbull in our bar where i work and lowered the alcohole price all of a sudden there are just swedes in the bar again funny eiigh! Im in the hospitality industry and i see this stuff everyday.
Gee this site has been posting since My family has a swedish background i may not be a fully swedish but i have swedish traits. I been looking into chatting to a swedish girl since yesterday cause i learned about whats happening guys taking on old genetics. You swedish girls are very beautiful and soo nice ive heard about the marriage rates it seems love over there is a lost meaning. Heidar wow dude, this racism stuff still surprises me a little.
We imagine these annoyances have already been overcome in more developed societies, but figures… But even things being bad for you, I think women still take the worst. They are crippled by the system since children, and go through life trying to prove independence and superiority to a male population that does not give a damn for it.
Their refusal of kindness and attempts to approach leads to a pathological individualism. If foreign women really began to immigrate there, they would be in serious trouble, because they have no chance of competing with feminine women who are not afraid to give and receive affection sex is not any advantage, any woman can do.
Most will die unloved in their comfort zones. Things work differently for them. What here is considered chivalry and kindness, there is considered chauvinistic behavior. The women there interpret this as you treating them as invalid, or is trying to indebt them or buy them somehow.
He has no way of knowing that you will not freak when he opens the door for you, or pull the chair for you sit down. And he probably also fear you try to control and manipulate him. You will have to be open and honest with him about what you like or dislike. Johan Seriously man, understanding and forgiving?
Do you think any woman give the slightest for that? They will go overboard all they want, and when tired or about to acquire a not-so-very-respectable fame, will seek a random loser for maintainer and play the respectable lady of society. Even if you refuse them, rest assured they will not cry one night about it, because there are several others to go after. And that goes for any woman of loose morals in the world, apparently, for the Swedish as well.
Yan Actually, my whole point was that foreign women generally speaking, of course , unlike Swedish women, ARE able to give and receive affection, meaning that if they come to Sweden they would have a huge advantage over Swedish women. I think you may have read my point backwards or some such: Heidar No man, I understood what you meant.
My point is that Swedish women are not bad people indeed. They are victims too, although they do not see it that way, and who has to put up with them for years and years also probably will not see it that way, too.
Believe me, the brazilian women are in great majority cheerful and adorable, but if you infuriates them, they can be worse than the swedish. If I could I would marry a woman from Eastern Europe. I have talked to some, and they like to be independent, are educated, at ease with life, and far less spoiled than their western cousins Americas included??. My advice would be do not expect a woman to immigrate there, start chatting around the internet and see if you find someone interesting.
And then keep talking. Not everyone has money to be traveling around the world often, but finding someone somewhere that is worth fighting for, maybe one of you need to make only a single trip.
Yan Actually, If you read my other posts on the subject here on the site but not necessarily in this particular thread you will know that I am very much aware of many of the Swedish women being victims too; that it has not been brought up in this particular thread is not a sign of ignorance by any means.
Please, I ask you do not read into things that which is not there; Freudian psychoanalysis was disproven decades ago, after all. Anyway, Heidar, thanks for your posts. I actually took a picture of the first one about encouraging foreign women to immigrate to Sweden and messaged it to many of my girlfriends in college!
Sorry for being random i should of read into what was going on haha: I saw this in satw, and it reminded me of the past conversations: I have decided to move to Sweden: Good work Heidar someone foreign is coming over. I live in the US and had some personal life changes that happen to me.
I met a Swedish girl last week and I thought she was 21 but she turned out to be much older. I was amazed because she looked amazing! I never would have thought she was the age she was. This was my first time going out with a Swedish girl and she is very tall and beautiful. I was pleased that she was so nice and down to earth. Hopefully, we will go out again and she can stay in the U.
Dated swedish women in the US. They have some type of inferiority complex: To the moronic commentator above, I love women in the US because many are strong and there is diversity of thought. I understand the guys frustration, because independent women many times go for surprisingly superficial guys. But some do mend their ways. Others end up in the regret lane later in life… But that is not all women by any stretch. Every comment here is a generalisation or just uses one to back up their argueement.
Like every culture, individuals are individuals. There are attractive and unattractive girls in every country: Some US women are diverse, some are not.
Some Swedish girls enjoy paying for the bill, others do not — like anyone! The amount of people here who have dated or spoken to a pretty Swedish girl and fallen in love with her, then commented here that all Swedish girls are more beautiful than American, or Australian, or any others, is plain stupid.
Grow some brains as well as some balls people. What the issue at hand should be is — how can a US-Indian girl write a post on what Swedish women like about Swedish men? Did I miss something? Opinions differ and of course that will have people who will not like some. But what is the problem of finding the swedes more beautiful than american ones? I find romanian women beautiful, and by far more pleasant that swedish and american.
Taste is particular, each has its own. And it certainly does not mean that I think all the american and swedish women are ugly, or autocrats and self-serving.
The problem with people who take themselves too seriously is that they end up offended for any little thing. From the drop point of view, the Swedish women ive met here are shy to start conversations and generally let the men do most everything from work to playing with the kids. My woman hardly has any conversation with me unless i initiate it and it deathly afraid to try anything new.
Passive is what comes to mind.. So far i've felt like the relationship really lacks feeling and affection as get more hugs and kisses from my Mother when i visit her in the Caribbean than from my Swedish Girlfriend and the other women i know here when those women are with their guys, the guys always initiate the affection and complain about lack of motivation to push further. You gotta live here to realize it. I achieved my dream of becoming a Hydraulic Engineer in Europe..
Unless you just want sex ;. S a couple times i really thought about packing up and leaving, but in my mind its still a challenge and i should tough it out to see a better side of the relationship..
Success should be synonymous with sacrifice.. Just from someone who is pondering success and how far to go to have both positives in work.. So maybe try Norway? Has anyone else noticed this difference? And why pick on us? I doubt you composed the picture, but it comes across as a bit racist. Well, thanks for posting this!
So what does that leave us with, a good-for-nothing guy or a guy that wont speak up? No wonder so many Swedish girls get married to Italian men. But again, thanks for your blog. Sincerely, Soes from Scania. I like so much your country for he respect of nature, freedom and contact with life that can not be found even in most western countries.
And so also is reflected in women and men. But i felt in love with one, and I liked her so much since the very first moment.
She meant to be stressed and teased by men but not valued like she was before: Now, every woman from every part of the planet deserves to be treated as woman, not a toy to use after or during a drunk. She deserves to be afriend, communicative, cuddles, maybe sometimes to be angry but never lacked of respect. That seems to be very common in Sweded, I dont say every sweden male treat badly a woman, but a lot of them especially younger generation are lacking of sensibility.
What remains to me is a big funny happy sweet moments of warm wool and big heart, here in the deep of Italy. Still running all my love for swedes. Nobody is perfect, but the sweden males that I known, needs to grow in empathy and care with their women. Drinking and eventually getting drunk from time to time to enjoy life and company is better life. And life is made of many small things. I have lived in Sweden for a while and I think the boys there are much more beautiful than the girls.
Wow, you sound like a real catch. A lot of people in Cali are trashy in Southern areas. The impression I got though is, if you are a foreigner. Their site monitors who screen potentioal users are unwilling to accept your profile submission.
What makes things worse is, the entire site has no english version. And the subcription can only be paid via credit cards issued in sweden or scandinavia. I had 4- profiles deleted already with no explanation from the monitors who oversea this website. Dating is not a sport, if you think it is thats probably where you are going wrong. Find someone nice who likes you, thats all. If someone is not interested in you then its not because Swedes are hard work its because they are not interested in you.
Move on to someone who is or make yourself more interesting. Swedes look at each other, you, they linger with stares. Wow im from sweden, or at least my parents tell me I am…. I am Swedish and need to chime in at this point. There is nothing wrong with Sweden as it is one of the most Utopian nations in the world. The women are beautiful. And I have lived throughout Europe and a few other continents so far and the women outside of Sweden are on average not as comparably attractive because their facial features always have something that is out of adjustment whether it be the nose, chin, teeth, etc.
But, the Scandinavian countries along with Sweden do not seem to have this genetic pattern of facial features not lining up symmetrically and aesthetically.
If you envy us so much that you hate our women for their looks at least have the courage and guts to abstain from underhandedly double talking points so you contort your rhetoric to sound like the problem is with women you do not know instead of you.
A, Mötesplatsen sounds like they had valid reasons to reject you. I am assuming that you do not live in Sweden or Scandinavia. And because you do not you are in essence just jerking people around who want to find dates and relationships. How are you going to date Swedish women if you do not live in relative vicinity to it? Hop on your personal supersonic Gulfstream jet and skip over to lunch with them in Stockholm or Göteborg every day?
I understand it is good fun to chat with Swedes, but Mötesplatsen is legitimate dating site that is seeking to keep their client base happy. I only have this to say. Two strong qualities that are bound to make Beautiful Babies… Lol.
Thank you for the information, it was a great insight! I have a question, I am a 40 year old Latin man, though I look much younger People think I am 29 … yay But really I live in Fresno, California, the dating prospects in my area are very poor And I am being polite , and if the girl happens to be okay to look at Not even good looking , then she becomes unapproachable and difficult to interact with.
I figured if I am going to be turned down by a woman let it be by a beautiful one; therefore I would like to move to Sweden and try the dating scene there, keep in mind that my ultimate goal is to get married and start a family with as many children as possible, or three at least! I am not getting any younger Would I be able to accomplish that in Sweden? Ivan — I suggest you move out of Fresno to another city in California.
Moving to Sweden to find a woman is adding more complications than benefits. Thank you for your prompt response! Let me add that I have lived all over Cali, more than a decade in San Diego, another decade in San Francisco, and about the same time in Fresno.
Do Swedish girls share those traits? I was very blonde as a girl, so are most of the children here. The hair then gradually goes darker, so many women start with highlights to feel young and unchanged by age. If you marry a Swedish woman and settle in Sweden you will be expected to share parental leave and picking up at daycare when you have kids.
Saying that though, my husband has not taken hardly any parental leave at all, but his other British friends with Swedish wives do. Thanks to all the sensible posters. For all you foreigners coming here: Oh, and I forgot to mention: I get the barnbidrag child benefits but I also buy all clothes for the cildren. Just in case anyone wondered: I was married before, and just like any other American married couple we shared everything except for one thing, cooking, my ex did not like how I cooked.
But something happens here U. And again it all comes down to this, I am already expecting to be with somebody who wants to be my equal.
I am looking for somebody who can be my friend, and most of all be honest and loyal. What is their mentality towards a relationship like? Aside wanting to share everything, I got that part already. And if you are going to say that you know where I can find a woman like that who can obey my command, no, I do not want to move to Saudi Arabia, I prefer women who can think for themselves, and are loyal and honest because they want to be, and I am not moving to the Philippines either since I am not really attracted to Asian girls, though they are pretty.
Finally, I do not mind the weather in Sweden as I am looking for some snow, to me that means more time in-doors if you know what I mean…. I have spent hours reading the comments to the posts today as it became more and more enlightening.
I have traveled the world and was always interested in Sweden.